Ukraine is dependent of weapons and ammunition from Europe and the US to be able to defend itself against aggression from Russia. Without the support of the West, Ukraine would have fallen already
You would think that Sinn Féin out of all our political parties would feel kinship with a people fighting desperately to overthrow a foreign, imperial, colonizing occupying force.
Environmental-Net286 on
So let russia dictate terms of the peace…
Reward wars of conquest that’s something we want to encourage
Hakunin_Fallout on
Well, that’s an easy conclusion then – Sinn Fein are cunts that think letting the victim getting raped is actually stopping the rape. Shame on anyone who supports this degeneracy.
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ConnemaraCowboy on
Giving Ukraine weapons from the U.S. would surely mean more civilians get killed? Not that I have a solution but I don’t think WWIII is the solution either
miseconor on
I think there’s a balance to be struck between supporting Ukraine and outright warmongering. Anybody who doesn’t think we should be looking for off ramps and de-escalating is in the latter camp at this point
Ukraine aren’t going to regain the lost territory. People need to accept that. The Russians are too entrenched.
Jonathan_B_Goode on
That’s interesting because on the “Which Candidate” website one of the questions is “Ireland should continue to provide financial and political support to Ukraine in response to the ongoing war”. Sinn Féin (along with all the other parties in my constituency) agree with this statement with the party statement of “Sinn Féin condemn Russia’s war in Ukraine and calls for a coordinated and concerted effort by the international community to secure an end to the hostilities and build peace.”
So they’re apparently in favour of continued support for Ukraine and condemn Russia but I guess they draw the line at more weapons?
A-Hind-D on
Weird for them to be pro partition
Dreenar18 on
Well, I was unlikely to vote for them but they can fuck off now.
Cathal10 on
You’re overlooking a lot of context here. You’ve focused on the part about reaching a peace agreement, which comes only after the initial step of getting everyone to the negotiating table. It’s clear in context that resolving the core issues must happen before the supply of weapons can cease.
Framing the desire to end a war as somehow being a “Putin shill” is something I find deeply frustrating. Putin and Russia absolutely need to be held accountable for their actions. Any peace talks must prioritize Ukrainian sovereignty and include reparations for the damage Russia has caused. Suggesting that pursuing peace is somehow playing into Russia’s hands is simply misguided.
I completely agree that there’s a significant power imbalance between Russia and Ukraine, and Russia is undoubtedly responsible for the conflict. However, continuing to fund an unproductive war where neither side can make decisive progress and generations of young people are dying is not a sustainable approach. Ukraine is not going to conquer Russia and end the war, nor is Russia going to overrun Ukraine as long as the current flow of weapons continues.
The focus should be on ending the war to provide ordinary people with peace, sovereignty, and security. I fail to see how that could be considered a negative path forward.
vinceswish on
The only good thing is that Ireland has no say to what weapons and how they can be used against Russia. Thank God.
Korasa on
Another wonderful SF attempt to see what populist policies stick to the wall today.
Fucking embarrassing given the genuine excitement around them last election.
ImAnOldChunkOfCoal on
The two sentences before that provide the context though….remove those and it’s taken out of what it is meant to convey (which is peace with the western world working together to achieve that peace and the end to the invasion)
Fuzzy-Cap7365 on
There’s more shit in this than there is in a toilet.
pauldavis1234 on
It’s the only solution in fairness.
However unpaletable that may be to some.
How people encouraged Ukraine to fight RUSSIA is incredible.
The loss of life has been vast, never mind the wounded who I would argue are an even more daming statistic.
Ketamorus on
The more I learn about SF the less I like them. I’m not Irish and do not vote. But if I did vote it wouldn’t be SF.
Champz97 on
That’s very anti-Imperialist of them!
Hipster_doofus11 on
“All sides must cease the current unlimited supply of weapons into Ukraine”.
So they want Russia to stop the supply of weapons to their troops in Ukraine also? Are people against this idea?
LimerickJim on
I honestly don’t think SF realize what they’re implying in that line, which is condemning in a completely different way
an_finin_soisialach on
Your reading comprehension is very poor. It clearly says to bring about a peace agreement to stop the war and then to stop the flow of weapons.
Being pro peace is not anti Ukraine.
flawless_victory99 on
And how do Sinn Fein plan to stop China/Iran/North Korea from providing weapons to Russia? Never mind Russia’s own domestic military capabilities? A strongly worded letter?
I’m a bit tired of politicians in Europe living in lala land about this conflict. Russia can only be stopped with force, as soon as someone from Sinn Fein demonstrates their stern warnings are a useful deterrent I’ll proceed as if they’re not worth the paper they’re written on.
hmmm_ on
How about Russia stops trying to invade Ukraine. See how fucking easy this is?
FlamingoRush on
Unlimited supply…what a load of crap!
QuailTechnical5143 on
Because…of course it does.
Why wouldn’t it?
commit10 on
“All sides” includes Russia in the context of that paragraph.
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Ukraine is dependent of weapons and ammunition from Europe and the US to be able to defend itself against aggression from Russia. Without the support of the West, Ukraine would have fallen already
You would think that Sinn Féin out of all our political parties would feel kinship with a people fighting desperately to overthrow a foreign, imperial, colonizing occupying force.
So let russia dictate terms of the peace…
Reward wars of conquest that’s something we want to encourage
Well, that’s an easy conclusion then – Sinn Fein are cunts that think letting the victim getting raped is actually stopping the rape. Shame on anyone who supports this degeneracy.
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Giving Ukraine weapons from the U.S. would surely mean more civilians get killed? Not that I have a solution but I don’t think WWIII is the solution either
I think there’s a balance to be struck between supporting Ukraine and outright warmongering. Anybody who doesn’t think we should be looking for off ramps and de-escalating is in the latter camp at this point
Ukraine aren’t going to regain the lost territory. People need to accept that. The Russians are too entrenched.
That’s interesting because on the “Which Candidate” website one of the questions is “Ireland should continue to provide financial and political support to Ukraine in response to the ongoing war”. Sinn Féin (along with all the other parties in my constituency) agree with this statement with the party statement of “Sinn Féin condemn Russia’s war in Ukraine and calls for a coordinated and concerted effort by the international community to secure an end to the hostilities and build peace.”
So they’re apparently in favour of continued support for Ukraine and condemn Russia but I guess they draw the line at more weapons?
Weird for them to be pro partition
Well, I was unlikely to vote for them but they can fuck off now.
You’re overlooking a lot of context here. You’ve focused on the part about reaching a peace agreement, which comes only after the initial step of getting everyone to the negotiating table. It’s clear in context that resolving the core issues must happen before the supply of weapons can cease.
Framing the desire to end a war as somehow being a “Putin shill” is something I find deeply frustrating. Putin and Russia absolutely need to be held accountable for their actions. Any peace talks must prioritize Ukrainian sovereignty and include reparations for the damage Russia has caused. Suggesting that pursuing peace is somehow playing into Russia’s hands is simply misguided.
I completely agree that there’s a significant power imbalance between Russia and Ukraine, and Russia is undoubtedly responsible for the conflict. However, continuing to fund an unproductive war where neither side can make decisive progress and generations of young people are dying is not a sustainable approach. Ukraine is not going to conquer Russia and end the war, nor is Russia going to overrun Ukraine as long as the current flow of weapons continues.
The focus should be on ending the war to provide ordinary people with peace, sovereignty, and security. I fail to see how that could be considered a negative path forward.
The only good thing is that Ireland has no say to what weapons and how they can be used against Russia. Thank God.
Another wonderful SF attempt to see what populist policies stick to the wall today.
Fucking embarrassing given the genuine excitement around them last election.
The two sentences before that provide the context though….remove those and it’s taken out of what it is meant to convey (which is peace with the western world working together to achieve that peace and the end to the invasion)
There’s more shit in this than there is in a toilet.
It’s the only solution in fairness.
However unpaletable that may be to some.
How people encouraged Ukraine to fight RUSSIA is incredible.
The loss of life has been vast, never mind the wounded who I would argue are an even more daming statistic.
The more I learn about SF the less I like them. I’m not Irish and do not vote. But if I did vote it wouldn’t be SF.
That’s very anti-Imperialist of them!
“All sides must cease the current unlimited supply of weapons into Ukraine”.
So they want Russia to stop the supply of weapons to their troops in Ukraine also? Are people against this idea?
I honestly don’t think SF realize what they’re implying in that line, which is condemning in a completely different way
Your reading comprehension is very poor. It clearly says to bring about a peace agreement to stop the war and then to stop the flow of weapons.
Being pro peace is not anti Ukraine.
And how do Sinn Fein plan to stop China/Iran/North Korea from providing weapons to Russia? Never mind Russia’s own domestic military capabilities? A strongly worded letter?
I’m a bit tired of politicians in Europe living in lala land about this conflict. Russia can only be stopped with force, as soon as someone from Sinn Fein demonstrates their stern warnings are a useful deterrent I’ll proceed as if they’re not worth the paper they’re written on.
How about Russia stops trying to invade Ukraine. See how fucking easy this is?
Unlimited supply…what a load of crap!
Because…of course it does.
Why wouldn’t it?
“All sides” includes Russia in the context of that paragraph.
I agree.