Most of the opposition to these roles comes from “junior” doctors, who feel threatened. Consultants and hospital administrators typically find PAs very helpful.
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This is NOT a staffing row, this is a Patient Safety issue!
The massive problem here is that we have a new group of staff who are meant to assist doctors who are instead acting outside their competence.
1. There are many cases of them requesting ionising radiation, which is knowingly against the law, and prescribing medication which is also against their current scope of practice. These are illegal and if a nursing associate did this, they’d be struck off. There have also been physician associates assessing cases of child suspected physical abuse – which all resident doctors know that should be done by either almost fully qualified Paediatricians, or Paediatric consultants.
2. Patients often do not know if they’re seeing a doctor or a physician associate, many PAs tend to obfuscate their role to patients and even staff at times (Despite being told that they must use their full title). Many patients are shocked that when they think they’re speaking to a GP, they’re actually speaking to a PA.
3. They feel as though they are able to act in the capacity as resident/registrar level doctors despite only having done a 2 year Masters course, compared to an average of 5 yr med school, 2 year foundation, and then at least 2/3 years beyond that of practice. You don’t know, what you don’t know – hence resulting in preventable medical errors which have already resulted in the deaths of patients.
4. These guys are meant to be assisting doctors, and have only had a 2 year Masters; they cannot be equivalent to a first year foundation doctor who has spent 5 years in medical school from day one.
5. Physician associates far outearn resident doctors, why is the NHS paying assistants more than doctors? Foundation Year 1 doctors earn around £32k whilst physician associates start on Band 7 (£46k)!
So you have a barely trained, Associate profession being paid more than their supervisors. The current crop have already been acting outwith their competence. This dangerous experiment must end. Calling a spade, a spade; they are quacks plain and simple.
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Most of the opposition to these roles comes from “junior” doctors, who feel threatened. Consultants and hospital administrators typically find PAs very helpful.
This is NOT a staffing row, this is a Patient Safety issue!
The massive problem here is that we have a new group of staff who are meant to assist doctors who are instead acting outside their competence.
1. There are many cases of them requesting ionising radiation, which is knowingly against the law, and prescribing medication which is also against their current scope of practice. These are illegal and if a nursing associate did this, they’d be struck off. There have also been physician associates assessing cases of child suspected physical abuse – which all resident doctors know that should be done by either almost fully qualified Paediatricians, or Paediatric consultants.
2. Patients often do not know if they’re seeing a doctor or a physician associate, many PAs tend to obfuscate their role to patients and even staff at times (Despite being told that they must use their full title). Many patients are shocked that when they think they’re speaking to a GP, they’re actually speaking to a PA.
3. They feel as though they are able to act in the capacity as resident/registrar level doctors despite only having done a 2 year Masters course, compared to an average of 5 yr med school, 2 year foundation, and then at least 2/3 years beyond that of practice. You don’t know, what you don’t know – hence resulting in preventable medical errors which have already resulted in the deaths of patients.
4. These guys are meant to be assisting doctors, and have only had a 2 year Masters; they cannot be equivalent to a first year foundation doctor who has spent 5 years in medical school from day one.
5. Physician associates far outearn resident doctors, why is the NHS paying assistants more than doctors? Foundation Year 1 doctors earn around £32k whilst physician associates start on Band 7 (£46k)!
So you have a barely trained, Associate profession being paid more than their supervisors. The current crop have already been acting outwith their competence. This dangerous experiment must end. Calling a spade, a spade; they are quacks plain and simple.
Ionising radiation and prescribing – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/27/nhs-doctors-allege-patient-harm-near-misses-pa-training/
Assessing physical abuse – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/alder-hey-childrens-hospital-liverpool-physician-associate/
Physician associates medical errors preventable deaths – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66211103
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66168798
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxvww97pleo
Faculty of Physician Associates further amplify the messaging that the work at the level of a doctor – https://www.fparcp.co.uk/file/media/652d35a68d9a6_FPA_Physician_Associate_Titles_and_Introductions_Guidance_FINAL_5_10_23.pdf
Physician associates pay scale – https://uk.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/how-much-does-physician-associate-make
Foundation doctor pay scale – https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pay/resident-doctors-pay-scales/pay-scales-for-resident-doctors-in-england