Every boy should learn to respect the consent and bodily autonomy of women.
crapusername47 on
So should every boy, what with them being drastically more likely to be the victim of violence and all. Especially when they get a bunch of girls in their class who’ve all been taught chokeholds.
Edit: Yeah, I’m going to need Reddit to up its block list limit after this morning. Dogmatic nonsense in one thread, misandrists in another.
Edit II: That’s two. Don’t quack out a bunch of ‘men are the aggressors’ duckspeak at me.
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tealattegirl13 on
This is so depressing, but unfortunately it’s only going to get worse with influencers like Andrew Tate influencing young gen Z and gen alpha boys. We need to stop the influence of people like him and teach boys respect for girls. Then hopefully we won’t have to have classes like this for girls.
HomeFricets on
>”I feel a lot more confident walking home tonight,” says Lily-Kim, 15.
And this is why every girl shouldn’t learn self-defence at school. Learn it by all means, but somewhere that’s going to teach you properly, not whatever rubbish ended up in this terrible terrible mindset.
>”And it shouldn’t be just me, but every girl should feel like that.”
Everyone but my daughter please… the worlds a dangerious place, and I wouldn’t want anyone to be FOOLED into thinking otherwise. I’m a 6ft1 guy, trained my whole life, and I don’t feel confident walking home at night sometimes… In some situations, you’d be nothing but fucking dumb to do so. I know 2 people that have been stabbed before, and neither are people I’d mess with for a laugh… and yet here we are.
No amount of self defence is going to help a women getting attacked in reality… every person should be practicing their 100m and 200m track events…. that’ll help more.
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I’m 31, I’ve done martial arts my whole life, boxing and karate since I was 9, Judo and BJJ from a teenager up to this day.
I’ve rolled and spared with the girls and women in my class, and technique there’s a lot we can teach each other! But strength wise, it almost doesn’t matter how good they are… when I can literally throw them across the room.
You should learn martial arts, because it’s really fucking fun! It’s also so good for exercise, as it’s so fun you’ll happily go to the gym every day….
You shouldn’t feel safe walking home… that’s where a little bit of martial arts practice is going to get you hurt at first, until you learn there’s always bigger fish in the sea, and sharper fish…. false confidence is a bad thing.
Practice avoiding fights…. Not winning them.
Ok_Fly_9544 on
Is this the place we pretend being scared walking home at night is a problem only girls face?
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StationFar6396 on
I think there are lots that kids should learn at school that they arent.
Maybe less about the Battle of Hastings and more skills they can actually use as adults, whether thats self defence, deescalating situations, dealing with mental health issues, personal finance etc.
BeardMonk1 on
This touches on a wider issue of what should be taught or instilled in schools from a Physical Education PoV. IMO we need to move away from sports and more into the fitness area. Self Defense could form part of that
Harrry-Otter on
How useful actually is self defence? If some young girl in the street gets attacked by someone a lot larger than them, potentially with a weapon too, surely her best course of action would be to run away, scream for attention, or both. Even if she is a black belt in karate.
DrCrazyFishMan1 on
*Socialise men to not be violent towards women*. Difficulty: impossible.
Realistic-River-1941 on
When I was at school it was drummed into us that people who try to defend themselves are actually worse than attackers.
The logic was that “society” turns people into violent scrotes, and/or they don’t know any better, and/or they must have been provoked, while people who defend themselves should know better. “He hit me back” was a rock solid defence for any classroom thug.
A teacher told me that violence was part of school life, and people who didn’t like it should drop out of education. I very nearly did.
One of the best things about leaving school is knowing that attitude is left behind, and you are free to use reasonable force in self defence.
LuinAelin on
Yeah saying girls should learn self defense is basically saying we can’t stop boys and men from attacking girls
Qyro on
Everyone should learn self-defence at school so they can better protect themselves from any kind of attack, be it a predatory rape, a mugging, or a pub brawl.
humanbot1 on
I’m all for this. It’s a sad state of affairs that it’s needed but “educating men, teaching consent etc.” just isn’t enough.
The first thing I imagine they will be taught is maintaining situational awareness (no music in headphones etc), and an emphasis on running and screaming bloody murder as the first priority. Your average man will overpower a trained woman 90%+ times.
I remember asking my ex what she would do if someone attacked her and grabbed her in the street, kicks and knees to the balls are not going to cut it. She was shocked when I told her she needs to be carving my eyeballs out with her fingers and biting my chunks out of my face.
EwokSuperPig___ on
I can’t wait for this discussion of women’s issues and the problems women’s face to be made about men. Men have issues but there is a time and place
Bitter_Eggplant_9970 on
Everyone should learn a sport like wrestling or judo so that they learn how to fall properly.
I was taken off a moped by some idiot that didn’t check his blind spot. I protected my head properly when I fell and walked away without any physical injuries. It could have been a lot worse if I didn’t have that training.
MoMxPhotos on
I think a lot of redditers in the comments are missing the point.
Point 01: Will self defence help?
Yes & No, the predators that are looking for an easy target to take advantage of, then yes it is likely to help because they’ll not want someone that will have the confidence to fight back and cause a scene.
If the predator is out for a victim and they are not going home without having a victim to (PUT ALL THE BAD STUFF HERE), then NO, self defence is not likely to help, though having said that, it could mean the difference of getting away alive and not getting away at all.
Point 02: More education about consent?
Yes this is a must, sadly though the ones who tend to need it the most will never get it because for one it is never taught at home and two it’s almost never taught anywhere were religions of any kind are prominent.
I could make a ton of points but I doubt anyone would bother reading much more, so!
Epilogue:
I’m sure we all wish that females of any age didn’t have to learn anything like this to try to protect themselves while out from predators, also before the men jump in and say and not just females either, that is no flex, stop and think about that for a second, if males are not safe around other males, then think how bad it really is for females around those males, so anything that could even increase their chances of survival even by 1% is better than not having it.
Lastly: To all the parents,
Single mothers out there, if you think their father is not father material and you can raise those offspring on your own, then get them taught right from wrong from the word go, no excuses, and if any of your friends or family are part of the problem, then get them ditched and tell your kids why they are ditched.
To the Fathers out there, if you are not in the kids lives then work on being the best males you can be, then when you can be in their lives they have a real role model to look up to.
For those males who are actually in their kids lives, be that real role model to them, let them learn by example how to be respectful and decent, make sure they grow up with good honest values instead of them turning to sh*t bags online like Andrew Tate and Co.
Obviously some will go down bad paths no matter what you do to try help them, but that ain’t no excuse to not try to give them the best start in life.
Aedan9 on
One thing I learned in Judo was that self defence against men; without a firearm or some other projectile weapon like a taser, will always be an uphill battle for women.
iain_1986 on
As always, you can trust a topic about female issues will be the outlet for reddit to suddenly decide to talk about male issues….
And then proceed to practically never talk about it again until the next female based story.
Deadliftdeadlife on
No they shouldn’t. They should learn situational awareness.
Woken have to do years and years of serious training to outmatch a male attacker.
Better to learn how to be aware of your surroundings so you can spot danger and avoid it.
I’ve done 15 years of martial arts. I still avoid danger
JoeBagadonut on
I’m pretty sure the first thing any worthwhile self-defence class will teach you is that the best form of defence is to avoid conflict altogether. Unfortunately, women are likely to encounter aggressive behaviour just by participating in society in a normal way: Going to work, going out with friends and so on.
Sure, self-defence training will probably help a little but it does nothing to tackle the root cause of the problem: Male violence against women and the systems that enable it.
Beer-Milkshakes on
At school? Fuck no. Privately so they mix with other children whose parents care enough to put them in extra activity? Yes. Also team sports is very important.
Apsalar28 on
It’s a good idea. We got a session in school. Not full on martial arts training like some people are talking about but more tips on how to fight dirty.
It was things like throwing your head back to try and surprise someone who has grabbed you from behind, kicking knees, applying your knee to his nuts etc. Anything that could give you a second to get away and start running like hell.
We also practiced screaming and did some ‘find another person and pretend you know them if you think you’re being followed’ type role plays.
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Every boy should learn to respect the consent and bodily autonomy of women.
So should every boy, what with them being drastically more likely to be the victim of violence and all. Especially when they get a bunch of girls in their class who’ve all been taught chokeholds.
Edit: Yeah, I’m going to need Reddit to up its block list limit after this morning. Dogmatic nonsense in one thread, misandrists in another.
Edit II: That’s two. Don’t quack out a bunch of ‘men are the aggressors’ duckspeak at me.
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This is so depressing, but unfortunately it’s only going to get worse with influencers like Andrew Tate influencing young gen Z and gen alpha boys. We need to stop the influence of people like him and teach boys respect for girls. Then hopefully we won’t have to have classes like this for girls.
>”I feel a lot more confident walking home tonight,” says Lily-Kim, 15.
And this is why every girl shouldn’t learn self-defence at school. Learn it by all means, but somewhere that’s going to teach you properly, not whatever rubbish ended up in this terrible terrible mindset.
>”And it shouldn’t be just me, but every girl should feel like that.”
Everyone but my daughter please… the worlds a dangerious place, and I wouldn’t want anyone to be FOOLED into thinking otherwise. I’m a 6ft1 guy, trained my whole life, and I don’t feel confident walking home at night sometimes… In some situations, you’d be nothing but fucking dumb to do so. I know 2 people that have been stabbed before, and neither are people I’d mess with for a laugh… and yet here we are.
No amount of self defence is going to help a women getting attacked in reality… every person should be practicing their 100m and 200m track events…. that’ll help more.
———-
I’m 31, I’ve done martial arts my whole life, boxing and karate since I was 9, Judo and BJJ from a teenager up to this day.
I’ve rolled and spared with the girls and women in my class, and technique there’s a lot we can teach each other! But strength wise, it almost doesn’t matter how good they are… when I can literally throw them across the room.
You should learn martial arts, because it’s really fucking fun! It’s also so good for exercise, as it’s so fun you’ll happily go to the gym every day….
You shouldn’t feel safe walking home… that’s where a little bit of martial arts practice is going to get you hurt at first, until you learn there’s always bigger fish in the sea, and sharper fish…. false confidence is a bad thing.
Practice avoiding fights…. Not winning them.
Is this the place we pretend being scared walking home at night is a problem only girls face?
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I think there are lots that kids should learn at school that they arent.
Maybe less about the Battle of Hastings and more skills they can actually use as adults, whether thats self defence, deescalating situations, dealing with mental health issues, personal finance etc.
This touches on a wider issue of what should be taught or instilled in schools from a Physical Education PoV. IMO we need to move away from sports and more into the fitness area. Self Defense could form part of that
How useful actually is self defence? If some young girl in the street gets attacked by someone a lot larger than them, potentially with a weapon too, surely her best course of action would be to run away, scream for attention, or both. Even if she is a black belt in karate.
*Socialise men to not be violent towards women*. Difficulty: impossible.
When I was at school it was drummed into us that people who try to defend themselves are actually worse than attackers.
The logic was that “society” turns people into violent scrotes, and/or they don’t know any better, and/or they must have been provoked, while people who defend themselves should know better. “He hit me back” was a rock solid defence for any classroom thug.
A teacher told me that violence was part of school life, and people who didn’t like it should drop out of education. I very nearly did.
One of the best things about leaving school is knowing that attitude is left behind, and you are free to use reasonable force in self defence.
Yeah saying girls should learn self defense is basically saying we can’t stop boys and men from attacking girls
Everyone should learn self-defence at school so they can better protect themselves from any kind of attack, be it a predatory rape, a mugging, or a pub brawl.
I’m all for this. It’s a sad state of affairs that it’s needed but “educating men, teaching consent etc.” just isn’t enough.
The first thing I imagine they will be taught is maintaining situational awareness (no music in headphones etc), and an emphasis on running and screaming bloody murder as the first priority. Your average man will overpower a trained woman 90%+ times.
I remember asking my ex what she would do if someone attacked her and grabbed her in the street, kicks and knees to the balls are not going to cut it. She was shocked when I told her she needs to be carving my eyeballs out with her fingers and biting my chunks out of my face.
I can’t wait for this discussion of women’s issues and the problems women’s face to be made about men. Men have issues but there is a time and place
Everyone should learn a sport like wrestling or judo so that they learn how to fall properly.
I was taken off a moped by some idiot that didn’t check his blind spot. I protected my head properly when I fell and walked away without any physical injuries. It could have been a lot worse if I didn’t have that training.
I think a lot of redditers in the comments are missing the point.
Point 01: Will self defence help?
Yes & No, the predators that are looking for an easy target to take advantage of, then yes it is likely to help because they’ll not want someone that will have the confidence to fight back and cause a scene.
If the predator is out for a victim and they are not going home without having a victim to (PUT ALL THE BAD STUFF HERE), then NO, self defence is not likely to help, though having said that, it could mean the difference of getting away alive and not getting away at all.
Point 02: More education about consent?
Yes this is a must, sadly though the ones who tend to need it the most will never get it because for one it is never taught at home and two it’s almost never taught anywhere were religions of any kind are prominent.
I could make a ton of points but I doubt anyone would bother reading much more, so!
Epilogue:
I’m sure we all wish that females of any age didn’t have to learn anything like this to try to protect themselves while out from predators, also before the men jump in and say and not just females either, that is no flex, stop and think about that for a second, if males are not safe around other males, then think how bad it really is for females around those males, so anything that could even increase their chances of survival even by 1% is better than not having it.
Lastly: To all the parents,
Single mothers out there, if you think their father is not father material and you can raise those offspring on your own, then get them taught right from wrong from the word go, no excuses, and if any of your friends or family are part of the problem, then get them ditched and tell your kids why they are ditched.
To the Fathers out there, if you are not in the kids lives then work on being the best males you can be, then when you can be in their lives they have a real role model to look up to.
For those males who are actually in their kids lives, be that real role model to them, let them learn by example how to be respectful and decent, make sure they grow up with good honest values instead of them turning to sh*t bags online like Andrew Tate and Co.
Obviously some will go down bad paths no matter what you do to try help them, but that ain’t no excuse to not try to give them the best start in life.
One thing I learned in Judo was that self defence against men; without a firearm or some other projectile weapon like a taser, will always be an uphill battle for women.
As always, you can trust a topic about female issues will be the outlet for reddit to suddenly decide to talk about male issues….
And then proceed to practically never talk about it again until the next female based story.
No they shouldn’t. They should learn situational awareness.
Woken have to do years and years of serious training to outmatch a male attacker.
Better to learn how to be aware of your surroundings so you can spot danger and avoid it.
I’ve done 15 years of martial arts. I still avoid danger
I’m pretty sure the first thing any worthwhile self-defence class will teach you is that the best form of defence is to avoid conflict altogether. Unfortunately, women are likely to encounter aggressive behaviour just by participating in society in a normal way: Going to work, going out with friends and so on.
Sure, self-defence training will probably help a little but it does nothing to tackle the root cause of the problem: Male violence against women and the systems that enable it.
At school? Fuck no. Privately so they mix with other children whose parents care enough to put them in extra activity? Yes. Also team sports is very important.
It’s a good idea. We got a session in school. Not full on martial arts training like some people are talking about but more tips on how to fight dirty.
It was things like throwing your head back to try and surprise someone who has grabbed you from behind, kicking knees, applying your knee to his nuts etc. Anything that could give you a second to get away and start running like hell.
We also practiced screaming and did some ‘find another person and pretend you know them if you think you’re being followed’ type role plays.