Well obviously, he’s not going to throw out his defence at this stage is he?
TarrouTheSaint on
I’m extremely anti-Cop but, if his account is true, can’t blame the guy. If someone was hurtling in a car towards me and I was armed, I’d put a cap in them too.
frogboxcrob on
They *really* tried to frame this as the UK George Floyd and it just isn’t that
The guy was a known violent asshole actively trying to ram people with his car. Play stupid games with armed police and you can’t be shocked when the outcome is being shot
Round-Spite-8119 on
Can’t see any way he doesn’t win this on genuinely held belief. It’s a hell of a hill for the prosecution to climb – they don’t just need to prove Kaba wasn’t a threat, they either need to prove the officer didn’t think he was, or that even within his belief the actions were disproportionate.
The latter seems next to impossible given he was in a car – something which has been used to kill people, and Police officers before.
So they’re pretty much stuck on proving the case that the officer didn’t really believe he was in danger. Time will tell, but I can’t see it working myself
ankh87 on
If Chris Kaba was willing not to stop for police, was willing to smash up cars in his quest to escape, do you think he’d stop for a police officer on foot or even a member of the public who could be crossing the road? The answer is no, he would rather kill/injure them to escape the police. This is clear to see as he rammed cars trying to escape.
Does he deserve to get shot? That is a decision I cannot make and I am not trained to make.
> Two men have been convicted over a gang shooting in an east London nightclub, allegedly carried out by another man who died before he could stand trial.
> The alleged gunman cannot be identified for legal reasons.
> The victim, Brandon Malutshi, now 25, suffered gunshot wounds to both legs, but survived the August 2022 attack.
> The 24-year-old alleged gunman was said to be “moving mad” before he produced the weapon and shot at Mr Malutshi, causing panic in the club.
> Jurors heard the alleged gunman was affiliated with the “67 gang” along with convicted drug-dealer Bell.
Wonderful_Dingo3391 on
It is ridiculous that the CPS are trying to prosecute a policeman doing his job. As soon as this criminal started smashing into the cars that had him hemmed in then that showed he was an immediate danger to life and unfortunately his life was forfeit.
Conscious-Bed4876 on
I saw in the papers the defense are claiming as his car was stationary that he was not a risk of commuting harm but the car was flagged for possible association with gun so the armed response likely had cause to believe he was armed.
If found guilty this will ruin our armed police
Thetwitchingvoid on
The problem is, if they didn’t alert him to them being cops and they’re all undercover – then that could be seen as an issue.
He has an undercover vehicle chasing him, guys in plain clothes are trying to get him out of a car, he’s a gangster and so could assume it’s a rival gang, adrenaline is pumping, things are happening quick.
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Well obviously, he’s not going to throw out his defence at this stage is he?
I’m extremely anti-Cop but, if his account is true, can’t blame the guy. If someone was hurtling in a car towards me and I was armed, I’d put a cap in them too.
They *really* tried to frame this as the UK George Floyd and it just isn’t that
The guy was a known violent asshole actively trying to ram people with his car. Play stupid games with armed police and you can’t be shocked when the outcome is being shot
Can’t see any way he doesn’t win this on genuinely held belief. It’s a hell of a hill for the prosecution to climb – they don’t just need to prove Kaba wasn’t a threat, they either need to prove the officer didn’t think he was, or that even within his belief the actions were disproportionate.
The latter seems next to impossible given he was in a car – something which has been used to kill people, and Police officers before.
So they’re pretty much stuck on proving the case that the officer didn’t really believe he was in danger. Time will tell, but I can’t see it working myself
If Chris Kaba was willing not to stop for police, was willing to smash up cars in his quest to escape, do you think he’d stop for a police officer on foot or even a member of the public who could be crossing the road? The answer is no, he would rather kill/injure them to escape the police. This is clear to see as he rammed cars trying to escape.
Does he deserve to get shot? That is a decision I cannot make and I am not trained to make.
[Another court case from earlier this year, with some quotes from the BBC article.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68441013)
> Two men have been convicted over a gang shooting in an east London nightclub, allegedly carried out by another man who died before he could stand trial.
> The alleged gunman cannot be identified for legal reasons.
> The victim, Brandon Malutshi, now 25, suffered gunshot wounds to both legs, but survived the August 2022 attack.
> The 24-year-old alleged gunman was said to be “moving mad” before he produced the weapon and shot at Mr Malutshi, causing panic in the club.
> Jurors heard the alleged gunman was affiliated with the “67 gang” along with convicted drug-dealer Bell.
It is ridiculous that the CPS are trying to prosecute a policeman doing his job. As soon as this criminal started smashing into the cars that had him hemmed in then that showed he was an immediate danger to life and unfortunately his life was forfeit.
I saw in the papers the defense are claiming as his car was stationary that he was not a risk of commuting harm but the car was flagged for possible association with gun so the armed response likely had cause to believe he was armed.
If found guilty this will ruin our armed police
The problem is, if they didn’t alert him to them being cops and they’re all undercover – then that could be seen as an issue.
He has an undercover vehicle chasing him, guys in plain clothes are trying to get him out of a car, he’s a gangster and so could assume it’s a rival gang, adrenaline is pumping, things are happening quick.
It’s a sticky issue.