>“Our message to people is that it is always better to do something than nothing in these circumstances,” said Jordan Davison, a community experience manager at St John Ambulance.
ALWAYS?! For who?
all common sense and basic logic says this shouldn’t be an issue! But we don’t live in a world with enough of that to risk someone not having any.
I’ve had CPR training, I’ll give it my best shot! But I’d be lying if the thought wouldn’t cross my mind a little, and I wouldn’t really judge anyone this day and age for saying that they’re not risking it.
It’s an illogical worry, until it’s your life getting fucked over by some lunatic that thought it was inappropriate or claims you copped a feel whilst saving their life.
Individual_Net4063 on
Why am I not surprised?
One wrong move or a minor misunderstanding and you have a rape allegation against you.
Xerac149 on
You can’t do anything nowadays without someone being offended. Granted it isn’t as bad here as the US, but what starts there ultimately starts here.
Sypher1985 on
Well you might have a heart attack when you realise if using a defib you should remove under wire bras to prevent arcing or starting a fire. But you won’t have to worry about the touching their boobs then because they’ll fall to the side.
DoomSluggy on
I think having dummies that have breasts would help alleviate this, as all the training is done on a male body.
Aggressive-Falcon370 on
The paranoid men in this thread.
If you are justifying letting someone die, because you genuinely think you’ll be punished for touching a dead woman’s chest, you have been reading too much manosphere brainrot and need a detox.
If you can find me one case where a dead woman had CPR performed and the man’s “life was totally ruined”, fine. I’ll wait. In the meantime, get therapy.
PartTimeMancunian on
Is this real? If so fix up people?!
When you’re dying on the floor what has to be done has to be done.
I didn’t enjoy having a tube shoved up my penis when I was being emergency prepped after being stabbed in the stomach.
I wasn’t thinking about sueing anyone afterwards. If I had a heart attack I wouldn’t care who was pumping my chest to keep me alive and I’m pretty certain no woman would either?!
And if they do they can grow up, and no court would take any attempt at a call for sexual assault during cpr serious unless you did something very odd….
So just fucking do it.
Ok_Fly_9544 on
St John ambulance give lifetime cover for this if you have ever participated in formal training by them. People do not sue and even if they did, they would not succeed. People need to use their brains more.
I get told men are causing all these issues, and that because I’m a man, it’s fair game to assume I’m the worst of them, under the guise of that being logical, behind the defence that it’s just about staying safe.
But if I logically try to avoid situations where I could get accused, because despite knowing I’m not that type of person, because plenty of other people do in fact assume I am, or even have outright prejudice against me because of the actions of others… I get told by people in this very thread, I “hate women”… That I’m delusional, and overreacting… I’m not allowed to want to keep myself safe if it requires assuming the worst might happen….
fn5011 on
(as a man)
FGS, this is just ridiculous. Pull yourself together, insecure men.
Reluctant_Dreamer on
Is there something preventing women from learning CPR or are women also worried about this?
DoubleXFemale on
A couple months ago, my husband and I were walking home in the evening after a date night.
We were approached by a man, who pointed out an unconscious woman on the pavement of a dark side street.
He said “I didn’t want to go up to her because I’m a man by myself and don’t want to get accused of anything”. Idk how long he’d been standing round doing nothing, not even calling 999.
It’s bloody ridiculous if half of the population is liable to have help delayed if a member of the other half of the population is the one to find them sick or injured.
ArchdukeToes on
When I did my first aid training they said that you should protect the patients modesty only as far as is practicable – obviously their survival is paramount. I mean, the defibrillator kit normally comes with a set of chompers powerful enough to cut through an underwired bra so you don’t shock women through the wrong conductive pathway.
It might be viewed as a stupid, irrational fear – but it’s a fear that clearly exists and needs addressing beyond the extremely unhelpful ‘stop being stupid’ approach, because there are consequences for its existence.
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>“Our message to people is that it is always better to do something than nothing in these circumstances,” said Jordan Davison, a community experience manager at St John Ambulance.
ALWAYS?! For who?
all common sense and basic logic says this shouldn’t be an issue! But we don’t live in a world with enough of that to risk someone not having any.
I’ve had CPR training, I’ll give it my best shot! But I’d be lying if the thought wouldn’t cross my mind a little, and I wouldn’t really judge anyone this day and age for saying that they’re not risking it.
It’s an illogical worry, until it’s your life getting fucked over by some lunatic that thought it was inappropriate or claims you copped a feel whilst saving their life.
Why am I not surprised?
One wrong move or a minor misunderstanding and you have a rape allegation against you.
You can’t do anything nowadays without someone being offended. Granted it isn’t as bad here as the US, but what starts there ultimately starts here.
Well you might have a heart attack when you realise if using a defib you should remove under wire bras to prevent arcing or starting a fire. But you won’t have to worry about the touching their boobs then because they’ll fall to the side.
I think having dummies that have breasts would help alleviate this, as all the training is done on a male body.
The paranoid men in this thread.
If you are justifying letting someone die, because you genuinely think you’ll be punished for touching a dead woman’s chest, you have been reading too much manosphere brainrot and need a detox.
If you can find me one case where a dead woman had CPR performed and the man’s “life was totally ruined”, fine. I’ll wait. In the meantime, get therapy.
Is this real? If so fix up people?!
When you’re dying on the floor what has to be done has to be done.
I didn’t enjoy having a tube shoved up my penis when I was being emergency prepped after being stabbed in the stomach.
I wasn’t thinking about sueing anyone afterwards. If I had a heart attack I wouldn’t care who was pumping my chest to keep me alive and I’m pretty certain no woman would either?!
And if they do they can grow up, and no court would take any attempt at a call for sexual assault during cpr serious unless you did something very odd….
So just fucking do it.
St John ambulance give lifetime cover for this if you have ever participated in formal training by them. People do not sue and even if they did, they would not succeed. People need to use their brains more.
For anyone interested about the possibility of getting sued: https://www.resus.org.uk/sites/default/files/2020-05/CPR%20AEDs%20and%20the%20law%20%285%29.pdf
Well this thread is englightening.
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I get told men are causing all these issues, and that because I’m a man, it’s fair game to assume I’m the worst of them, under the guise of that being logical, behind the defence that it’s just about staying safe.
But if I logically try to avoid situations where I could get accused, because despite knowing I’m not that type of person, because plenty of other people do in fact assume I am, or even have outright prejudice against me because of the actions of others… I get told by people in this very thread, I “hate women”… That I’m delusional, and overreacting… I’m not allowed to want to keep myself safe if it requires assuming the worst might happen….
(as a man)
FGS, this is just ridiculous. Pull yourself together, insecure men.
Is there something preventing women from learning CPR or are women also worried about this?
A couple months ago, my husband and I were walking home in the evening after a date night.
We were approached by a man, who pointed out an unconscious woman on the pavement of a dark side street.
He said “I didn’t want to go up to her because I’m a man by myself and don’t want to get accused of anything”. Idk how long he’d been standing round doing nothing, not even calling 999.
It’s bloody ridiculous if half of the population is liable to have help delayed if a member of the other half of the population is the one to find them sick or injured.
When I did my first aid training they said that you should protect the patients modesty only as far as is practicable – obviously their survival is paramount. I mean, the defibrillator kit normally comes with a set of chompers powerful enough to cut through an underwired bra so you don’t shock women through the wrong conductive pathway.
It might be viewed as a stupid, irrational fear – but it’s a fear that clearly exists and needs addressing beyond the extremely unhelpful ‘stop being stupid’ approach, because there are consequences for its existence.