That conservative idea of making claimants prove they were actually gay isn’t so ridiculous sounding anymore. No doubt wife and kids appear as soon as the claim is rubber stamped
trmetroidmaniac on
I can’t see a way to disprove them. So as long as we allow gay refugees from homophobic countries… what solution do you want, exactly?
GendoSC on
“The 33-year-old Nigerian was last year granted asylum in the UK after claiming he might be killed for being gay by militant group Boko Haram, but he was discovered to have fathered three children by three different women”
He also scammed people out of £220k, nobody seen it coming to be fair…
denyer-no1-fan on
It’s not the ECHR that allows asylum seekers to claim based on their sexuality, it’s the 1951 Refugee Convention, which recognizes the right of persons to seek asylum from persecution in other countries. As long as an asylum seeker can prove that their sexual orientation is factual AND they will be persecuted in their home countries on those grounds, they can claim asylum based on the Refugee Convention. ECHR has nothing to do with this and it’s just the Telegraph trying to tie everything back to the ECHR to lay the ground for an exit from the ECHR.
Edit: it’s actually more fundamental than that, Article 14 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights stipulates that:
>Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
Interpretation varies state by state, but that’s the ground which asylum is claimed.
WishYouWereHere-63 on
Has this paper been taken over by GB News or something ?
yojifer680 on
People willing to break the law are also willing to lie in order to escape the consequences. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. The system shouldn’t assume they’re telling the truth unless proven otherwise, it should assume they’re lying unless proven otherwise.
SenatorBiff on
I knew this would be the telegraph just from the headline. Their not so subtle campaign to undermine the ECHR for the sole purpose of eventually removing working rights you enjoy (that’s right, they dont actually give AF about immigration or gay people) that cost your employer money continues apace.
The telegraph works for oligarchs. How a once respectable publication has descended to little more than the mouthpiece of billionaires.
SidneyAlgernon on
High trust society with a legal system relying on broadly good faith interaction meets the social mores of 90% of the planet.
bluecheese2040 on
It’s just gaming rhe system. Fact is if half the world turned up here they’d qualify.
iamezekiel1_14 on
Surely the way round this is you invite them to some sort of massive gay orgy & if they get involved – fair play – if they don’t, goodbye thanks for coming here’s the plane ticket.
milkyteapls on
To be fair if I was in their position I’d be absolutely rinsing this country as well and laughing all the way to the bank
Can’t be many countries that would be this soft
LazyScribePhil on
This sounds really positive. Welcome to the U.K., our persecuted homosexual cousins 🙂
The-Gothic-Owl on
Can I blame my stubbed toe on the ECHR too, while we’re making stupid complaints about it? At the end of the day, some asylum seekers using this method *may* not be gay, but many of them *certainly* are. I for one would rather let in a few fake cases than let a genuine case be deported back to gods knows what fate. It’s the same basic moral argument as being anti-capital punishment
Putaineska on
Oh we know. Also I guarantee the VAST VAST majority of these so called persecuted asylum seekers as soon as they get their leave to remain are straight on a flight back home for a holiday, and to bring the rest of their family back with them.
I can’t blame them. We are easy pickings. I would also rinse this country if I was in their shoes.
Drummk on
Is the plan to relocate every homosexual in Africa and the Middle East to Europe?
PepsiMaximus1 on
A lot of anti ECHR posts popping up on here lately. Wonder why? 🤔
Kobruh456 on
Is there an alternative that doesn’t also send all genuine LGBT+ asylum seekers back to the country they came from to face genuine danger?
Pikaea on
This is 2024, not 1950s. This shit cannot continue, else everyone with legs will arrive.
If you are not some known dissident of a regime, from a country being invaded, or North Korean then its a no.
Innocuouscompany on
Ahh so this is how they pave the way for getting rid of ECHR.
Good luck everyone. They got their way with Brexit and that worked out well for us. Now it’s ECHR’s turn
supersonic-bionic on
Oh telegraph and their daily asylum seekers stories
This one targeted for people to be against ECHR which is a Tory manifesto
doitnowinaminute on
The “pretend to be gay” fear has been around for yonks. Yet the previous years’ numbers appear relatively low given total cases seen and how prevalent homosexuality is within the general population.
It would be interesting to know of these cases were worwd across all nationalities or just a few and if a few, was there a realistic cause.
Finally, it is no shock that a criminal has conned the system. That shows me nothing. Why aren’t there more cases to report on. More benign ones.
Lextube on
This is disgusting. There are genuinely LGBTQ+ people trying to feel persecution and seeking asylum in a country that’s safe for them, and perhaps some in those numbers are those sorts of people. But I’m highly sceptical of how many of those claims are true.
lucax55 on
So boringly obvious that the Telegraph is desperately trying to have anti ECHR gain traction. What next, remove all laws so no one can do anything bad again?
Bottom of the barrel journalism, and I say that as someone who briefly subscribed. Just outrage opinions and laying the ground work for the will of billionaire ghouls.
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That conservative idea of making claimants prove they were actually gay isn’t so ridiculous sounding anymore. No doubt wife and kids appear as soon as the claim is rubber stamped
I can’t see a way to disprove them. So as long as we allow gay refugees from homophobic countries… what solution do you want, exactly?
“The 33-year-old Nigerian was last year granted asylum in the UK after claiming he might be killed for being gay by militant group Boko Haram, but he was discovered to have fathered three children by three different women”
He also scammed people out of £220k, nobody seen it coming to be fair…
It’s not the ECHR that allows asylum seekers to claim based on their sexuality, it’s the 1951 Refugee Convention, which recognizes the right of persons to seek asylum from persecution in other countries. As long as an asylum seeker can prove that their sexual orientation is factual AND they will be persecuted in their home countries on those grounds, they can claim asylum based on the Refugee Convention. ECHR has nothing to do with this and it’s just the Telegraph trying to tie everything back to the ECHR to lay the ground for an exit from the ECHR.
Edit: it’s actually more fundamental than that, Article 14 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights stipulates that:
>Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
Interpretation varies state by state, but that’s the ground which asylum is claimed.
Has this paper been taken over by GB News or something ?
People willing to break the law are also willing to lie in order to escape the consequences. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. The system shouldn’t assume they’re telling the truth unless proven otherwise, it should assume they’re lying unless proven otherwise.
I knew this would be the telegraph just from the headline. Their not so subtle campaign to undermine the ECHR for the sole purpose of eventually removing working rights you enjoy (that’s right, they dont actually give AF about immigration or gay people) that cost your employer money continues apace.
The telegraph works for oligarchs. How a once respectable publication has descended to little more than the mouthpiece of billionaires.
High trust society with a legal system relying on broadly good faith interaction meets the social mores of 90% of the planet.
It’s just gaming rhe system. Fact is if half the world turned up here they’d qualify.
Surely the way round this is you invite them to some sort of massive gay orgy & if they get involved – fair play – if they don’t, goodbye thanks for coming here’s the plane ticket.
To be fair if I was in their position I’d be absolutely rinsing this country as well and laughing all the way to the bank
Can’t be many countries that would be this soft
This sounds really positive. Welcome to the U.K., our persecuted homosexual cousins 🙂
Can I blame my stubbed toe on the ECHR too, while we’re making stupid complaints about it? At the end of the day, some asylum seekers using this method *may* not be gay, but many of them *certainly* are. I for one would rather let in a few fake cases than let a genuine case be deported back to gods knows what fate. It’s the same basic moral argument as being anti-capital punishment
Oh we know. Also I guarantee the VAST VAST majority of these so called persecuted asylum seekers as soon as they get their leave to remain are straight on a flight back home for a holiday, and to bring the rest of their family back with them.
I can’t blame them. We are easy pickings. I would also rinse this country if I was in their shoes.
Is the plan to relocate every homosexual in Africa and the Middle East to Europe?
A lot of anti ECHR posts popping up on here lately. Wonder why? 🤔
Is there an alternative that doesn’t also send all genuine LGBT+ asylum seekers back to the country they came from to face genuine danger?
This is 2024, not 1950s. This shit cannot continue, else everyone with legs will arrive.
If you are not some known dissident of a regime, from a country being invaded, or North Korean then its a no.
Ahh so this is how they pave the way for getting rid of ECHR.
Good luck everyone. They got their way with Brexit and that worked out well for us. Now it’s ECHR’s turn
Oh telegraph and their daily asylum seekers stories
This one targeted for people to be against ECHR which is a Tory manifesto
The “pretend to be gay” fear has been around for yonks. Yet the previous years’ numbers appear relatively low given total cases seen and how prevalent homosexuality is within the general population.
It would be interesting to know of these cases were worwd across all nationalities or just a few and if a few, was there a realistic cause.
Finally, it is no shock that a criminal has conned the system. That shows me nothing. Why aren’t there more cases to report on. More benign ones.
This is disgusting. There are genuinely LGBTQ+ people trying to feel persecution and seeking asylum in a country that’s safe for them, and perhaps some in those numbers are those sorts of people. But I’m highly sceptical of how many of those claims are true.
So boringly obvious that the Telegraph is desperately trying to have anti ECHR gain traction. What next, remove all laws so no one can do anything bad again?
Bottom of the barrel journalism, and I say that as someone who briefly subscribed. Just outrage opinions and laying the ground work for the will of billionaire ghouls.