Rivelato: Campagne “di base” contrarie alla morte assistita finanziate da gruppi di pressione cristiani conservatori
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/16/revealed-grassroots-campaigns-opposed-to-assisted-dying-financed-by-conservative-christian-pressure-groups
di Wagamaga
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Campaigns against assisted dying that claim to be led by healthcare workers and disabled people are being secretly coordinated and paid for by conservative Christian pressure groups, an Observer investigation has found.
The “grassroots” campaigns have been central to the debate on legalising assisted dying in England and Wales before a landmark vote by MPs this month.
The groups have held protests, given evidence to parliamentary inquiries, appeared in media interviews and orchestrated leaflet campaigns targeting MPs.
But while they are styled to look like separate movements set up by members of the public, they in fact have concealed ties to religious lobbyists.
And if you follow the cash they are the ones behind the trans panic as well.
None of this is grassroots. Its all part of a wider strategy to spread nutjob far right Christianity
And the reason they have to pull these kind of shenanigans instead of being open and upfront is…?
You must suffer for as long as possible.
How very Christian.
Wankers.
It’s fine to have a religion, but I really do draw the line when they start to try and impose their religious worldview on my life and death.
If they truly thought their argument had widespread support, they wouldn’t feel the need to hide their religious motivations and funding when campaigning.
I’m generally not bothered by those who believe in god. But I don’t believe. Tell you what, you leave me alone to live my life (and maybe let me keep my agency over my death) and I’ll leave you alone to believe in whatever you like.
Oh so “Grassroots” campaigns that arent actually Grassroots are bad. Interesting……
*Side-eyes RICU*
Yep, I had several of these pop up on my FB feed. I was curious about the rationale and I was willing to keep an open mind but the website contained no information, no quotes, no evidence. Just a form to submit a petition. Seemed very suspicious.
I think with Trump back in power the influence of fundamentalist Christian Organisations supporting anti abortion groups, anti vax and anti LGBTQ+ groups will rise significantly. Especially out side hospitals and opposing Pride marches.
Their presence in town centres and onlive will also increase. They will also be actively engaged in further science denial and climate change denial. Their influence will be both overt and insidious. With messages oposing womens rights, that will appeal to disaffected young men. Expect incidences of arson and possible violent encounters.
Let me guess, their registered address is one building on Tufton Street?
Why would anyone want people to suffer longer than they have to?
Wonderful! People with actual values affirming decency and human life.
What about Jesus though? That was assisted dying, right?
It’d be very enlightening to see the money and powers behind both sides of the argument.
These journalists are going to be shocked when they realise there is no such thing as a genuinely “grassroots” campaign on either side of the political spectrum. Next thing you’ll be telling me that all those attendees at all the anti-austerity and anti-tuition fees protests weren’t actually a mix of random people but were actually all SWP members and affiliates bused in by their party bosses.
Of course they are. Real,y sick of religious influence.
It’s been incredibly obvious since the beginning that the origins of this ‘disability rights’/’social justice’ argument against assisted dying originated with the Christian right, and The Guardian has reported on this before. They have done so because we do not pass laws in this country, or uphold laws based on the Bible. So they needed to conceal their true motivations behind some kind of faux-secular veneer. And in the age of identity politics; how better to do that than capitalising on the zeitgeist of the era, and reframing it as a social justice issue?
One has to give them credit – it has been a phenomenally successful campaign of striking the fear of God into disability campaigners; and because the disability campaigners are at the top of the Postmodernist victimhood/oppression hierarchy, they have managed to draw the woke and Marxist far left of this country (including Jeremy Corbyn, no less) into a coalition against the right to die.
The Christian campaigners against this deserve more credit and respect for actually formulating an effective strategy than the woke leftist dupes that actually fell for the ploy. In the US especially, religious groups are utilising the same strategy against abortion as well, by reframing it as a social justice issue which disproportionately affects blacks. It hasn’t yet enjoyed the same level of success as the movement against assisted dying; because women themselves have victimhood status in the postmodernist oppression hierarchy.
Anyone who considers themselves non-religious or left-wing who actually fell for this ought to be utterly embarrassed. They actually deserve less respect than people who believe that dinosaurs walked alongside man and that the Earth is a few thousand years old (the very people that they were duped into opposing assisted dying by!).
Gotta make those sick and dying people suffer even more, you know. Because cloud man said so!
There is definitely a well concerted well poisoning campaign ongoing. I had heard nothing but positivity for this bill since May from MPs, from the public, from anyone, then suddenly in the last month, all these little doubts are crawling out of the woodwork
They are no doubt funded by American Christian groups. Now that they’ve taken over the US Supreme Court and Republican party, they are setting their sights on the UK.
Probably the same people that own so many old people farms across the country.
A lot of money comes from the US; pro-life, anti-education, fundamentalist Christian groups. Not content with spreading it around the US they seek to foist it on the rest of us. Hateful people with a lot of money.
There are many atheists who are unhappy that this campaign kicked off being framed by the Humanist Society as anti-religious, implying that only the religious could be against assisted suicide.
Whereas, a great many are opposed not on some abstract religious theory, but on the practical fact that assisted suicide via the health service – which is what is being proposed – will end up with (a) medical staff considering killing you as an alternative to (expensive) care or treatment; and (b) pressure by relatives etc, whether spoken or not, that it would be easier for everyone if someone died quickly.
Sure, there’s a principled argument that everyone ought to have a right to decide this sort of thing, but that seems to me just like the pro-Brexit “sovereignty” argument. Very abstract, but what on Earth use is it in practice? What are its real-life consequences.
I am surprised, and saddened, by the extremely well-funded and slick campaign being run by those in favour. Where does this eagerness to kill people come from? The enthusiasm is rather scary. Helping someone kill themselves is surely an extremely difficult and solemn thing to do.
Now me, I am dead against it primarily because I’ve lost good friends to suicide. I want people who feel that way, that they can’t go on or face things themselves, to be encouraged to go on and also to be helped to go on. If someone thinks they can’t face pain while dying then they should be given medical help to deal with that pain and also encouraged that it is rarely as bad as the proponents make it out to be.
I don’t mean the pain isn’t as bad – though it may well not be – but that one can live with excruciating pain and be fulfilled.
I also want my elderly relatives to know that the time they are alive gives us all more time with them; time to process their dying and make preparations for it.
When I read *some* of those in reddit who like this they talk about *their* pain in seeing someone else dying. But we shouldn’t help people to die for the convenience of those alive. Watching someone dying in agony is something you have to suck up if that is what *they* want.
Anyway, I daresay there are religious groups funding campaigns, but it is very much not true that this is all about religious opposition.