> Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall reportedly ‘will not allow’ young adults not to be in some form of education, employment or training
> Young unemployed people must take up training or face having their benefits cut under plans being drawn up by the Work and Pensions Secretary.
> The Times reported that Ms Kendall “will not allow” young adults not to be in some form of education, employment, or training, and will strip benefits from those who do not take up offers of support.
> A government source told the newspaper that the proposals would usher in “the biggest reforms to employment support in a generation”.
The source said: “Conditionality is a fundamental principle of the social security system and has always existed. That’s not going to change.”
> Britain’s welfare bill has soared in recent years amid a surge in claims for mental health conditions, meaning one in 10 adults of working age are now on sickness benefits.
ForAllTimesSake on
Duh, every government keeps saying this but the situation doesn’t change.
While I’m supportive of denying benefits to young people who are not in work, in education or training, I notice the article doesn’t mention who would be considered exceptions.
We have an increasing number of young people now under section 3 of the Mental Health Act, locked up in hospitals. They can’t take on work or education and mental health hospitals don’t provide all their needs (believe it or not, they don’t provide ladies with sanitary products like pads / tampons!). These patients still need some money for basics.
FilthyDogsCunt on
For the 2 weeks I ended up signing on, all the courses they had seemed to be things like ‘office admin’ and ‘applying for jobs in the civil service’ and other equally pointless (for someone who’s worked in finance for 10+ years).
If the courses were good people would go on them.
Aspect-Unusual on
This happened in the late 90s with Labours NEW DEAL where young people needed to take up in work training or lose their benefits
This happened in the early 2010s with the the Tories work/train for your benefits
Seems like every 10 years someone comes up with the same idea
corbynista2029 on
Plenty of young people are not training, working, or studying because of long term sickness or care responsibilities. The Tories have already turned conditionality within the DWP up to the maximum, I don’t understand how Labour can cut benefits even further without hurting people who genuinely need them. The idea that there is widespread misuse or fraud of benefits has been proven to be false and will continue to be false but somehow Labour is still behaving as if that’s true.
Amazing_Battle3777 on
Absolutely needed but let’s be fair too, there’s 7 million unemployed and 1 million jobs (roughly speaking) and half of them will be skills that young people don’t possess.
The only way to lower youth unemployment is to have more apprenticeship / tax off hiring incentives – but actually make them lucrative. Not just accumulative value to big business.
The government has just hit SMEs over 4 people HARD so I won’t expect anything to change from the job market.
Probably more part time work and less full time in retail with all the changes coming in.
getstabbed on
The last time I was on UC the “training” they wanted me to do was unpaid work at Tesco. I was always told that you had to be paid minimum wage for any actual work you did, then they tried to force me to do that..
Fortunately I found a job before that started.
wkavinsky on
Work or starve, sponging scroungers, say a bunch of old people who are scrounging right now.
Generic118 on
Am I being cynical in thinking this will be a bunch of absolute bottom of the barrel “courses” provided by some big manpower/outsourcing company that are nothing more than box checking exercises that cost far more than the benefits and provide no employability benefit ^_^
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JayR_97 on
A big problem graduates face is junior level jobs requiring 3 years experience. How are you supposed to get a start on your career if you cant get someone to give you a chance? Companies just seem allergic to the idea of training people.
Nice-Substance-gogo on
Should be for all who are not long term sick or disabled.
ero_mode on
If young people are provided the opportunity for free *certified* qualifications that are actually attractive to employers then I don’t see a problem with that.
But yeah, it should not be linked with their basic necessities to live.
limaconnect77 on
Significant minority that are fully capable of ‘doing a shift’ but just are not willing to graft. That’s the number one reason agency-people/new hires come and go – a conscious decision not to graft.
Turbantastic on
I wonder how much of this so called “training” will be working for free in supermarkets/customer service/restaurants, free labour for the firms and pointless “training” aka slave labour for the poor.
Panda_hat on
If that training was valuable or productive and didn’t just lead to subsidised sub-minumum wage exploitation jobs then maybe young people would be more interested in taking them up.
AskthePSI-Scan on
Well, will you support them in getting into a training program
That won’t then conflict with mandatory job searching and pointless assessment meetings scheduled at the same time as the training course?
Francis_Tumblety on
National service. Give them marketable skills. Also, maybe, discipline. Drive out all that TikTok brainrot with 20 mile hikes. Would certainly get a bunch of bored troublemaking teens off the streets. It would be nice to walk along the local canal or local park with the dog and not have to dodge idiots blasting along on their motorbikes.
Skeptischer on
What about the retirees aged 50 who could still be working?
Beautiful-Skill-5921 on
I work with young adults (mostly male) considered as “NEET”s. They are a long way from being employable.
EddViBritannia on
Why just young people? Everyone should be working for a living. State support for should be left for the truly unable to work. Too many people resign themselves from work over issues that can be overcome.
At the same time we need jobs and buisness to accept these types of people and accomodate them best they can. Buisness these days run very lean on staffing, and don’t want to allow any buffer of personel in the workload. I really don’t want the goverment to have to subsidise positions, but it may work out cheaper than keeping them on benefits.
JAC246 on
I was on benefits years ago and they did this to me, I did training and courses a d threatened with sanctions if I didn’t go,
MousseCareless3199 on
Too many young people with a supposed mental health issue or off sick indefinitely is the biggest issue here.
One thing is that we’re overdiagnosing young people with health issues and additionally, young people aren’t prepared for the realities of the world:
Realising that most people end up working 9-5 jobs for 45 years and then die is affecting them so much that they become depressed. They grow up on TikTok and YouTube and see people driving flash cars and living in big houses by making videos. However, once they switch off their computer or phone, they realise they have to grind for not very much every month.
Welcome to the real world chaps.
garfunk2021 on
Absolutely agree with all the backlash comments about this.
As a hiring manager I always look for people who avoid training and have extended unemployment gaps.
I’ll always hire people who show strong defiance to any authority or help. Great team players. Good additions.
Cheap_Recording1 on
Then the job centres need reforming massively, I’m on a telecoms training course atm that i had to find thru indeed, I’ve been to several meetings at local job centre, my background is AV so surely anyone who gives af looking at me would suggest that right?
there needs to be willpower in the workforce there to get people back in jobs at every level, imagine instead if the worker next to yours overhears your convo and says shes heard about a course or role that is suuitable, rather than it just be a box ticking excercise to make sure you’re eligble for the dole
PersistentWorld on
Training in what?
Training is unique to each individual job and employers aren’t willing to train (everyone needs a ridiculous amount of experience for starting roles).
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> Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall reportedly ‘will not allow’ young adults not to be in some form of education, employment or training
> Young unemployed people must take up training or face having their benefits cut under plans being drawn up by the Work and Pensions Secretary.
> The Times reported that Ms Kendall “will not allow” young adults not to be in some form of education, employment, or training, and will strip benefits from those who do not take up offers of support.
> A government source told the newspaper that the proposals would usher in “the biggest reforms to employment support in a generation”.
The source said: “Conditionality is a fundamental principle of the social security system and has always existed. That’s not going to change.”
> Britain’s welfare bill has soared in recent years amid a surge in claims for mental health conditions, meaning one in 10 adults of working age are now on sickness benefits.
Duh, every government keeps saying this but the situation doesn’t change.
While I’m supportive of denying benefits to young people who are not in work, in education or training, I notice the article doesn’t mention who would be considered exceptions.
We have an increasing number of young people now under section 3 of the Mental Health Act, locked up in hospitals. They can’t take on work or education and mental health hospitals don’t provide all their needs (believe it or not, they don’t provide ladies with sanitary products like pads / tampons!). These patients still need some money for basics.
For the 2 weeks I ended up signing on, all the courses they had seemed to be things like ‘office admin’ and ‘applying for jobs in the civil service’ and other equally pointless (for someone who’s worked in finance for 10+ years).
If the courses were good people would go on them.
This happened in the late 90s with Labours NEW DEAL where young people needed to take up in work training or lose their benefits
This happened in the early 2010s with the the Tories work/train for your benefits
Seems like every 10 years someone comes up with the same idea
Plenty of young people are not training, working, or studying because of long term sickness or care responsibilities. The Tories have already turned conditionality within the DWP up to the maximum, I don’t understand how Labour can cut benefits even further without hurting people who genuinely need them. The idea that there is widespread misuse or fraud of benefits has been proven to be false and will continue to be false but somehow Labour is still behaving as if that’s true.
Absolutely needed but let’s be fair too, there’s 7 million unemployed and 1 million jobs (roughly speaking) and half of them will be skills that young people don’t possess.
The only way to lower youth unemployment is to have more apprenticeship / tax off hiring incentives – but actually make them lucrative. Not just accumulative value to big business.
The government has just hit SMEs over 4 people HARD so I won’t expect anything to change from the job market.
Probably more part time work and less full time in retail with all the changes coming in.
The last time I was on UC the “training” they wanted me to do was unpaid work at Tesco. I was always told that you had to be paid minimum wage for any actual work you did, then they tried to force me to do that..
Fortunately I found a job before that started.
Work or starve, sponging scroungers, say a bunch of old people who are scrounging right now.
Am I being cynical in thinking this will be a bunch of absolute bottom of the barrel “courses” provided by some big manpower/outsourcing company that are nothing more than box checking exercises that cost far more than the benefits and provide no employability benefit ^_^
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A big problem graduates face is junior level jobs requiring 3 years experience. How are you supposed to get a start on your career if you cant get someone to give you a chance? Companies just seem allergic to the idea of training people.
Should be for all who are not long term sick or disabled.
If young people are provided the opportunity for free *certified* qualifications that are actually attractive to employers then I don’t see a problem with that.
But yeah, it should not be linked with their basic necessities to live.
Significant minority that are fully capable of ‘doing a shift’ but just are not willing to graft. That’s the number one reason agency-people/new hires come and go – a conscious decision not to graft.
I wonder how much of this so called “training” will be working for free in supermarkets/customer service/restaurants, free labour for the firms and pointless “training” aka slave labour for the poor.
If that training was valuable or productive and didn’t just lead to subsidised sub-minumum wage exploitation jobs then maybe young people would be more interested in taking them up.
Well, will you support them in getting into a training program
That won’t then conflict with mandatory job searching and pointless assessment meetings scheduled at the same time as the training course?
National service. Give them marketable skills. Also, maybe, discipline. Drive out all that TikTok brainrot with 20 mile hikes. Would certainly get a bunch of bored troublemaking teens off the streets. It would be nice to walk along the local canal or local park with the dog and not have to dodge idiots blasting along on their motorbikes.
What about the retirees aged 50 who could still be working?
I work with young adults (mostly male) considered as “NEET”s. They are a long way from being employable.
Why just young people? Everyone should be working for a living. State support for should be left for the truly unable to work. Too many people resign themselves from work over issues that can be overcome.
At the same time we need jobs and buisness to accept these types of people and accomodate them best they can. Buisness these days run very lean on staffing, and don’t want to allow any buffer of personel in the workload. I really don’t want the goverment to have to subsidise positions, but it may work out cheaper than keeping them on benefits.
I was on benefits years ago and they did this to me, I did training and courses a d threatened with sanctions if I didn’t go,
Too many young people with a supposed mental health issue or off sick indefinitely is the biggest issue here.
One thing is that we’re overdiagnosing young people with health issues and additionally, young people aren’t prepared for the realities of the world:
Realising that most people end up working 9-5 jobs for 45 years and then die is affecting them so much that they become depressed. They grow up on TikTok and YouTube and see people driving flash cars and living in big houses by making videos. However, once they switch off their computer or phone, they realise they have to grind for not very much every month.
Welcome to the real world chaps.
Absolutely agree with all the backlash comments about this.
As a hiring manager I always look for people who avoid training and have extended unemployment gaps.
I’ll always hire people who show strong defiance to any authority or help. Great team players. Good additions.
Then the job centres need reforming massively, I’m on a telecoms training course atm that i had to find thru indeed, I’ve been to several meetings at local job centre, my background is AV so surely anyone who gives af looking at me would suggest that right?
there needs to be willpower in the workforce there to get people back in jobs at every level, imagine instead if the worker next to yours overhears your convo and says shes heard about a course or role that is suuitable, rather than it just be a box ticking excercise to make sure you’re eligble for the dole
Training in what?
Training is unique to each individual job and employers aren’t willing to train (everyone needs a ridiculous amount of experience for starting roles).