Come back when it’s tens of millions, or even millions.
IllustriousLynx8099 on
He just won a 174 seat majority in an election where Brexit was rarely spoken about, but it’s a petition with 30,000 signatures thats going to put pressure on him…
Clive__Warren on
Surely they should recognise the consequences of putting more effort into the Remain campaign after the referendum instead of before it?
Archistotle on
If we want to rejoin the EU (and as things stand, that’s a big though plausible if), then it’s going to take more then asking Starmer nicely.
Put simply, we don’t yet meet the requirements for membership. That wasn’t a problem when he had our opt-outs, but good luck getting those back. And Starmer’s got the red wall to worry about, which is why he’s not budging on things like FoM despite the EU offering them as part of his *reset.*
You want to get back in the EU? Then put your back into hard policy. Full transparency, I want it to happen, but It’s not happening this decade whether you get a debate in parliament or not. You need a solid foundation first.
RaymondBumcheese on
He’s not in a particularly enviable position. He either accepts reality and further upsets the conservative media apparatus or buries his head in the sand and looks like an idiot to anyone with a working pair of eyes.
FiddleAndSteel on
This is just delusional. Whether or not you think Britain should rejoin the EU, Starmer is absolutely not under any pressure to rejoin.
MrGenRick on
Pressure?
Rejoining the EU is literally impossible.
Putin, via Hungry, would need to agree.
Spain wants Gibraltar
France wants the UK to have the Euro
Poland and Germany want no restrictions on migration
Greece wants money
An application today would take 5–10 years – so Starmer would have lost the election before it even went through.
Deadliftdeadlife on
Genuine question, is there any reason we shouldn’t?
Feel like leaving was a huge mistake. What’s the arguments for not rejoining?
Cubiscus on
Assuming the conditions of re-joining hold (FoM, eventually joining the Euro) I can’t see us rejoining for decades, if at all.
I expect some treaty change and closer alignment instead, then potentially a customs union.
MultiMidden on
This isn’t going to go away for him, it’s the elephant in the room.
We all know about pro-Europeans in the centre and left of politics and how Trump might force him to be more pro-EU.
So tired of the ‘remain’ media pushing this false narrative.
sabreapco on
Sometimes I think you have to forget the past history and look at where you are now and where you want to be. For me that is that we have a huge trading opportunity in EU on our doorstep and be talking with them as to how to improve that trading relationship beyond what we have now. Sadly I suspect that means we will be perpetually in some form of negotiation!
NuggetKing9001 on
If we attempted to rejoin the EU, it would spark a massive backlash from those who voted or supported it.
The EU would also be able to name their price and we would not be negotiating from a position of strength.
We’re essentially the ex that went off the rails and are now begging to be taken back.
grayparrot116 on
In case you’re interested in supporting the petition:
People should be clear there are 2 options with Europe, the EEC and the EU. Re-joining the EEC is essential to keep the UK afloat and give it any kind of growth.
The EU is mainly politics and is far more complicated, even if latest polls show a majority want to rejoin.
JayR_97 on
This would ensure we get a Reform government in 2029 if Starmer started talking about rejoining the EU. Absolute political suicide for Starmer
Personal_Director441 on
How come Boris/Liz/Rishi weren’t under the same pressure to rejoin where pretty much anyone who was anyone pointed out what a utter disaster Brexit was. Suddenly KS is, funny that.
HawH2 on
I’m not a Brit, but I seriously don’t understand why the UK rushed to self sabotage by leaving the EU. You had access to live and work in other EU states, access to markets, and the UK was more attractive for investment under the EU. You shrank your economy based on fake claims like saving £350m a week for the NHS (which turned out to be a lie) and wanted to stop inflow of immigration, only to end up receiving more every day now.
boingwater on
Brexit has damaged the country on many levels. Considering the political headwinds in the US and Russia, rejoining is a no brainer.
cuppachuppa on
30,000 calling to rejoin vs 17,400,000 who voted to leave.
PositiveLibrary7032 on
Which is a slap in the face to Scotland. Referenda are once in a generation or is that not correct?
ThatGuyMaulicious on
Well the country didn’t sink into the Ocean like the tories, labour, media said so I’m good.
buntypieface on
I say stay out. That way we get to trade with USA and Europe. Trump doesn’t like the EU. It’ll cause us hassle if we rejoin.
Peace ✌️
Not_Alpha_Centaurian on
The “revoke article 50” petition got over 6 million votes and the government of the day managed to completely ignore it.
It would be nice if labour gave people some hope that these petitions aren’t utterly pointless.
Dangerous_Truth_1407 on
Please can the Left respect democracy.
I say this as a Remainer.
Democracy is critical whether or not you agree with the outcome.
PurahsHero on
Rejoin the EU? Personally, I am all for it. But lets at least be honest about what it entails rather than having the ambiguity which many who push for re-joining seem to revel in.
For example. All of those exemptions to EU rules we had? Yeah, we are not getting them back.
The budget rebate? Nope.
Keep the Pound? Forget about it.
When the truth about what it entails comes out, I’m willing to bet that many people may have second thoughts.
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Come back when it’s tens of millions, or even millions.
He just won a 174 seat majority in an election where Brexit was rarely spoken about, but it’s a petition with 30,000 signatures thats going to put pressure on him…
Surely they should recognise the consequences of putting more effort into the Remain campaign after the referendum instead of before it?
If we want to rejoin the EU (and as things stand, that’s a big though plausible if), then it’s going to take more then asking Starmer nicely.
Put simply, we don’t yet meet the requirements for membership. That wasn’t a problem when he had our opt-outs, but good luck getting those back. And Starmer’s got the red wall to worry about, which is why he’s not budging on things like FoM despite the EU offering them as part of his *reset.*
You want to get back in the EU? Then put your back into hard policy. Full transparency, I want it to happen, but It’s not happening this decade whether you get a debate in parliament or not. You need a solid foundation first.
He’s not in a particularly enviable position. He either accepts reality and further upsets the conservative media apparatus or buries his head in the sand and looks like an idiot to anyone with a working pair of eyes.
This is just delusional. Whether or not you think Britain should rejoin the EU, Starmer is absolutely not under any pressure to rejoin.
Pressure?
Rejoining the EU is literally impossible.
Putin, via Hungry, would need to agree.
Spain wants Gibraltar
France wants the UK to have the Euro
Poland and Germany want no restrictions on migration
Greece wants money
An application today would take 5–10 years – so Starmer would have lost the election before it even went through.
Genuine question, is there any reason we shouldn’t?
Feel like leaving was a huge mistake. What’s the arguments for not rejoining?
Assuming the conditions of re-joining hold (FoM, eventually joining the Euro) I can’t see us rejoining for decades, if at all.
I expect some treaty change and closer alignment instead, then potentially a customs union.
This isn’t going to go away for him, it’s the elephant in the room.
We all know about pro-Europeans in the centre and left of politics and how Trump might force him to be more pro-EU.
Some have recently suggested that the [EU could actually become right wing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/european-union-right-wing-ursula-von-der-leyen-eu-commission-hard-right-parties), if that actually does happen then suddenly some people on the right of British politics might start to warm to the EU. If big businesses who’ve felt the pain of brexit start to lean on the Tories there might be a softening of attitudes as well. If the right wing media in the UK follow suit…
So tired of the ‘remain’ media pushing this false narrative.
Sometimes I think you have to forget the past history and look at where you are now and where you want to be. For me that is that we have a huge trading opportunity in EU on our doorstep and be talking with them as to how to improve that trading relationship beyond what we have now. Sadly I suspect that means we will be perpetually in some form of negotiation!
If we attempted to rejoin the EU, it would spark a massive backlash from those who voted or supported it.
The EU would also be able to name their price and we would not be negotiating from a position of strength.
We’re essentially the ex that went off the rails and are now begging to be taken back.
In case you’re interested in supporting the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700005
People should be clear there are 2 options with Europe, the EEC and the EU. Re-joining the EEC is essential to keep the UK afloat and give it any kind of growth.
The EU is mainly politics and is far more complicated, even if latest polls show a majority want to rejoin.
This would ensure we get a Reform government in 2029 if Starmer started talking about rejoining the EU. Absolute political suicide for Starmer
How come Boris/Liz/Rishi weren’t under the same pressure to rejoin where pretty much anyone who was anyone pointed out what a utter disaster Brexit was. Suddenly KS is, funny that.
I’m not a Brit, but I seriously don’t understand why the UK rushed to self sabotage by leaving the EU. You had access to live and work in other EU states, access to markets, and the UK was more attractive for investment under the EU. You shrank your economy based on fake claims like saving £350m a week for the NHS (which turned out to be a lie) and wanted to stop inflow of immigration, only to end up receiving more every day now.
Brexit has damaged the country on many levels. Considering the political headwinds in the US and Russia, rejoining is a no brainer.
30,000 calling to rejoin vs 17,400,000 who voted to leave.
Which is a slap in the face to Scotland. Referenda are once in a generation or is that not correct?
Well the country didn’t sink into the Ocean like the tories, labour, media said so I’m good.
I say stay out. That way we get to trade with USA and Europe. Trump doesn’t like the EU. It’ll cause us hassle if we rejoin.
Peace ✌️
The “revoke article 50” petition got over 6 million votes and the government of the day managed to completely ignore it.
It would be nice if labour gave people some hope that these petitions aren’t utterly pointless.
Please can the Left respect democracy.
I say this as a Remainer.
Democracy is critical whether or not you agree with the outcome.
Rejoin the EU? Personally, I am all for it. But lets at least be honest about what it entails rather than having the ambiguity which many who push for re-joining seem to revel in.
For example. All of those exemptions to EU rules we had? Yeah, we are not getting them back.
The budget rebate? Nope.
Keep the Pound? Forget about it.
When the truth about what it entails comes out, I’m willing to bet that many people may have second thoughts.